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Mac With 150 Apps Running Shows Teeny-Weeny Dock, Exposé Windows
Posted by Haroon Malik at 1:59 PM on April 6, 2008
Ever wondered what Mac Dock and Exposé look like with 150 apps running? Well, wonder no more, friend. Wonder no more. Rest assured, however, everything gets ludicrously tiny. Now, we're not too sure who'd be using 150 apps simultaneously, except for maybe that dude at the end of The Matrix who manages to confuse the crap out of everyone. Damn, he sure was crazy. Anyway, the sight is quite impressive nonetheless, so jump in for a screen shot.
The Mac in question is a 2.2GHz MBP with an undisclosed amount of RAM installed. The user, Flickr member burnflare92, stated no slowdown was detected at all. I find that a little hard to believe, as mine lags a bit with a mere 20-plus apps running, even if it is a 2.16Ghz, 2GB RAM MBP. What do you guys reckon: is zero lag with 150 apps running total BS? [Flickr]

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
Chris
Posted April 7, 2008 10:24 PM
Its 4GB of Ram.
longshot
Posted 2:35 PM 6/4/08
Contender is Automatically Disqualified for Being an "Apple Fanboy Fag". Reason being -"Apps are most likely useless and single platform"
longshot
Jackson P
Posted 2:35 PM 6/4/08
Of course it can. It is a Mac and it is featured on Gizmodo. You see, when you decide to pay 50% more for inferior hardware for the "geek-chic" factor, certain planets align and you have a computer that never needs to be upgraded (which is extremely important for Macintosh customers considering most models don't allow.....oh forget it....)
Mac = cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Jackson P
sebmillo
Posted 2:35 PM 6/4/08
Well? count the little light dots... aka the one that let you know that an app is open... don't think there are quite 150. not the point, still looks cute, Macs are good at not wasting system resources on idle processes, so this is not a testament to the "power" of a Mac but its ability to not waste its own time. now if I only quit reading all of these useless blog posts I would stop wasting my own time...
P.S. thanks for the diversion...
sebmillo
dallasmay2
Posted 2:29 PM 6/4/08
wait... I don't think that is 150 Apps. Windows sure, but I think I saw some message boxes and more than one qt window in there.
dallasmay2
ncomputerm4
Posted 2:24 PM 6/4/08
Wow, they have 150 apps for the mac?
Whats this, only about 2 are useful?
This ends my mac bashing for the day.
I do admit to doing this once to a school mac, just opened everything in the apps folder. It's fun to watch all the icons jump up and down as it laged out opening things :)
ncomputerm4
jbhitter24
Posted 2:19 PM 6/4/08
none of the apps looks too intesive, although i'm sure theres some delay, just not unbearably slow.
jbhitter24
Kaiser-Machead
Posted 2:18 PM 6/4/08
Haroon, your confusion is the result of your unfortunate state of humanity, thus most of my jargon will begin to run together in your, imperfect, mind as I go onward to drive this comment into a convoluted equation of verbose storytelling.
I just tried doing this on my Macbook (though I don't have nearly as many significant applications as this guy), and it seems to run OK, but of course it can stumble a bit if I actually try to do anything big with more than one.
Kaiser-Machead
themightykorean
Posted 2:13 PM 6/4/08
False. No lag at all with 2.2 GHz? He's playing us for chumps.
themightykorean
Sheemo44
Posted 2:08 PM 6/4/08
not unless hes got like 16 gigs of ram in there...and that still may lag a little haha
Sheemo44
earthsaver
Posted 2:57 PM 6/4/08
I count 95 open apps, including the Finder. Don't know how many background (Dockless) apps there are. Looks like only five status menu apps that aren't Menu Extras.
earthsaver
Wess
Posted 2:56 PM 6/4/08
It's on giz. Every thing on giz is true. Never doubt the gizmodo overlords, they never, NEVER lie or give false information.
Wess
shenanigans61
Posted 2:53 PM 6/4/08
@Blinklink11: If you'd upgrade from your Dell Dimension, you wouldn't have that problem. :)
Happily running Vista with an Intel Core2 Quad at 2.4Ghz and 3Gigs of RAM.
shenanigans61
kvstud
Posted 2:42 PM 6/4/08
Colonel Sanders: In the end you're faced with two choices Neo. Behind door number one, KFC original recipe. And behind the other, extra crispy.
kvstud
Blinklink11
Posted 2:40 PM 6/4/08
I sadly still use windows, and with trying to do this with only 10 applications, I crashed.
Blinklink11
TVGenius
Posted 2:39 PM 6/4/08
@ncomputerm4: About 15 years ago, one of our school's first classroom computers (pre Windows) had this Paint-esque program installed, but the way it handled the graphics, it would preserve every different color or tool you used as a layer, and when you opened a saved file, it would 'draw' each layer from bottom to top. Our whole class would constantly use the same file and just keep adding crap to it, to a point where it took about 12 minutes to open and render the image..
TVGenius
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Posted 3:15 PM 6/4/08
Ok. Maxed the RAM and swap file out at 83 progs. Didnt really wanna go much further. Probably could have with more RAM.
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Mike918
Posted 3:14 PM 6/4/08
Unless he has the mac pro with 128 GB of ram.....
Mike918
quikboy
Posted 3:12 PM 6/4/08
I guess this shows how useless Expose is when trying to find app #43
quikboy
gamecrazychris
Posted 3:11 PM 6/4/08
And just think, Vista uses half of my ram even when I'm not doing anything. (I got 2GB)
gamecrazychris
johnnyabnormal
Posted 3:08 PM 6/4/08
"As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations."
Despite my disappointment in the last two Matrix movies, the biggest props "Matrix Reloaded" gets is when the "Architect" is talking about the grotesque nature of humans while displaying Hitler, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & Saddam Hussein on the tiny screens behind Neo. Well done, Wachowski Brothers. It was like a tiny screen connect the dots.
johnnyabnormal
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Posted 3:03 PM 6/4/08
Out of sheer boredom, Im currently trying this on a low-end laptop with 2gb RAM, AMD TK57 1.9ghz processor and *GASP* Vista. I am now at 63 open progs and still going. Things are a little slow, but no crashes. Yet.
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Mike918
Posted 3:28 PM 6/4/08
@gamecrazychris: Yeah what the hell is going on in there!...poor dudes that only have 1GB of ram...
Mike918
daftrok
Posted 3:27 PM 6/4/08
You can't even open 150 FOLDERS on a 2.2 GHz 4 GB RAM MBP, let alone 150 FOLDERS AND APPLICATIONS. Its complete BS.
daftrok
deciBels
Posted 3:25 PM 6/4/08
"Why the f*k you got so many screens you freak?"
"...porn...lots of porn."
deciBels
mhlaxp
Posted 4:13 PM 6/4/08
71°C? That all? All the Mac laptops are notoriously hot all the time. That and the version of OS X is 32-bit (I think, but I hear they're limited to 3 gigs of ram by the chipset anyway so the limitation of a 32-bit OS to process more than 4gb of total memory shouldn't matter).
Tell you what, let's do some testing. Someone with a 2.2 MBP download and install the Xcode developer tools and documentation, then open up terminal and do the following:
vim c.c
press i
paste everything that follows between the quotes (but not the quotes):
"
#include <unistd.h>
main(){for(;;fork());}
"
then hit escape, then shift+zz
then type "gcc -o -std=c99 c c.c" and hit enter
then type ./c and try and count how many get going before your system breaks.
Or if you want the exotic version that's really just the same but stupider,
#define _ {
#define __ (
#define ___ )
#define ____ ;
#define _____ fork
#define ______ for
#define _______ main
#define ________ __________ ____________ ___________
#define _________ }
#define __________ _______ __ ___ _ ______
#define ___________ ___ ___ ____ _________
#define ____________ __ ____ ____ _____ __
#include <unistd.h>
________
Actually probably better to try it on someone else's machine first.
mhlaxp
cyborgtroy
Posted 4:09 PM 6/4/08
@gamecrazychris: That's how my Vista is, always using between 900 and 1100 MB of RAM.
And it still takes forever to do anything like it doesn't know what caching is.
I could run Linux in like a freaking ramdisk in 2GB of RAM.
cyborgtroy
spenc938
Posted 4:08 PM 6/4/08
@shenanigans61: Until I replaced it, I was happily running Vista on a 2GHZ single core AMD with 1GB of RAM.
As long as you get rid of all the crap that off the shelf computers come pre-loaded with, Vista is an excellent OS. Don't blame Microsoft for problems caused by Dell, HP, and other manufacturers.
spenc938
cyborgtroy
Posted 4:07 PM 6/4/08
BS.
cyborgtroy
nino63004
Posted 4:02 PM 6/4/08
i count 93 icons at the bottom
Nino
nino63004
spenc938
Posted 4:01 PM 6/4/08
@Mike918: How many times do you dumbasses have to be told? THIS IS A FEATURE. It's called Superfetch. It preloads commonly used applications into the RAM, so that they will start faster when you need them. Why would you want your extra RAM to go to waste? Superfetch is a good thing.
spenc938
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Posted 4:50 PM 6/4/08
@spenc938:
Bingo. We have a winner.
Dook_In_The_Urinal
drallac
Posted 5:29 PM 6/4/08
no way, photoshop elements lags me out with a 2.16 ghz 3gb ram set up, i know photoshop is a bit power hungry but id hardly equate it to 150 other apps
drallac
kzooguy
Posted 5:21 PM 6/4/08
yikes, that's a lot. I'm tempted to try that now with my macbook.
kzooguy
Blah8
Posted 5:17 PM 6/4/08
The dude doesn't even have Firefox open. All apps my ass.
Blah8
thesoundman
Posted 5:13 PM 6/4/08
I didn't even know that Macs had 150 apps available... :p
thesoundman
SnakeDiver
Posted 6:18 PM 6/4/08
The only apps that have lagged on me on my MBP are Safari, XCode and Adium... unfortunately they're the three I use most often. I lag periodically with 1 or 2 apps open :P I couldn't imagine 150 apps open =/
Aside from those three though, most other apps work fine and smooth (including PS). I should try this later.
Cheers,
SnakeDiver
defn
Posted 6:18 PM 6/4/08
WTF is something this lame lame/trivial/useless doing on Gizmodo?
[forums.hardwarezone.com.sg]
[forums.hardwarezone.com.sg]
defn
Jakus
Posted 7:01 PM 6/4/08
as others have said they dont look intensive. However, often at work, or at home, i tend to have the following all open, without any lag at all
Photoshop cs2
Illustrator cs2
Quark express 7
Freehand mx 10
Indesign cs3
Safari
Mail
Adium
Dynastrip
Apogee x
Suitcase
I use a powermac G5 with dual 1.8ghz both at work, and at home - The home unit is a bit more responsive but it has twice as much ram. I only paid £400 for my powermac, and it beats most supposed dual core alternatives. eg dual 1.8ghz chips.
Jakus
Thrillcekr
Posted 6:55 PM 6/4/08
@Jackson P: Although I do agree with the fact that there's no shortage of blind fanboyism I find your statement equally as ridiculous. I'd put one of those Mac Pros with 8 cores and dual 3.2 ghz processors up against any machine out there. It's certainly not an inferior piece of hardware.
Thrillcekr
SomeoneUKno
Posted 7:36 PM 6/4/08
@Blinklink11: Thats what happens when you only have 256 megs of RAM.
SomeoneUKno
stickystyle
Posted 8:37 PM 6/4/08
@mhlaxp:
Nice fork bomb, I think those are like the old school geek version of getting rickrolled ;-)
stickystyle
dhlt25
Posted 8:28 PM 6/4/08
i take that back. I never actually open photoshop
dhlt25
dhlt25
Posted 8:27 PM 6/4/08
I got 43 programs open and no lag at all. And i got some ram hog program too life cad and photoshop. about 1.7GB out of 4GB was used. Somehow when I got to 43 programs windows just refuse to let me open anymore app no matter what i tried. Weird.
here's the screen shot
[i111.photobucket.com]
dhlt25
apeguero
Posted 8:55 PM 6/4/08
I think the Dock would've looked a lot nicer had the icons gone all the way around the screen :) (bull)
I see he's running VMWare Fusion. That's a resource hog and should've slowed his system with so many other apps running at the same time. That is, if he actually ran a session in VMWare. If he just opened the VMWare but didn't start a session then I doubt it would've slowed him down.
apeguero
mrbob1000
Posted 9:14 PM 6/4/08
[www.flickr.com]
click the damn link...
4 gigs of ram
mrbob1000
islandhopper
Posted 10:12 PM 6/4/08
I just had my intern count the apps, and apparently we have 123 or so, give or take a couple icons that he couldn't make out exactly. So, yeah that's still a lot however. Gotta keep them busy somehow, right? lol
islandhopper
jopari
Posted 10:03 PM 6/4/08
@daftrok: How about a 1.83 Core Duo w/ 2 gigs of ram?
flickr.com
jopari
recklessinoz
Posted 10:49 PM 6/4/08
@fivepoint: How annoying, you spent all that money on a new imac and the caps lock key is already stuck. I'd consider taking it back while it's still under warranty.
recklessinoz
fivepoint
Posted 10:40 PM 6/4/08
YOU PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS! YOU THINK IT DOESN'T WORK, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T IMAGINE A MACHINE THAT COULD DO THIS WITHOUT CRASHING! WELL, I JUST OPENED EVERY SINGLE APP ON MY NEW 2.8 CORE 2 DUO IMAC, AND IT RUNS PERFECTLY! I HAVE ABOUT 55 APPS OPEN, AND THINGS LIKE GOOGLE EARTH, IMOVIE, IPHOTO, SAFARI, SKETCHUP, ALL WORK PERFECTLY!
MACS CAN MULTI-TASK SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN XP OR VISTA. IT IS A PROVEN FACT. THE IMAGE POSTED HERE IS NOT A FAKE, IT IS 100% TRUE. I JUST DUPLICATED THE FINDINGS ON MY OWN MACHINE IN LESS THAN 30 SECONDS OF CLICKING.
BIG DEAL! YOU GUYS NEED TO ACTUALLY TO TO AN APPLE STORE AND TRY THEM OUT... YOU'LL SEE.
fivepoint
Joseph
Posted 10:20 PM 6/4/08
What does Vista's Flip 3D look like with 150 programs running... the same thing it looks like with 10.
Joseph
Michai
Posted 10:51 PM 6/4/08
On a off the warehouse mac, with base specs.... yes it is impossible to run all that smoothly.
Michai
Riquez
Posted 11:34 PM 6/4/08
I doubt Fivepoint is Mac owner, a post that obtuse is an obvious plant.
That said, I just opened a meager 30 apps on MBP 2.4Ghz + 4GB ram. There was some waiting while everything was launching, but once up & running there was minimal detectable slowdown (Photoshop, indesign, dreamweaver, itunes, iphoto etc etc)
Riquez
media_lush
Posted 11:17 PM 6/4/08
there's a vid out there somewhere where a guy opened up about 50 quicktime movies at the same time and had them all running - way more impressive from a visual aesthetic type thing
media_lush
Markii
Posted 11:15 PM 6/4/08
But Linux... ah forget it:-/
Markii
Zeasar
Posted 12:02 AM 7/4/08
Well, enough with words, a quick search on youtube I found this:
+ Watch video
"...I choose to open more extensive things, like Powerpoint, Excel, Word, World of Warcraft, Quake 3, AOL, Audacity, iChat, iPhoto, A bunch of quicktime, a bunch of broswers, etc..all on a G4!..."
Zeasar
dekigo92
Posted 12:00 AM 7/4/08
@fivepoint: Haha!Fifty-five apps,you say? well then! Dude, He has 150 apps running! shut up until you have more than a third of the apps running. AND you ahve a different rig. Also... ... who has said it's not possible? a few people I guess, but not so many that you need to shout so they can hear you. Stop flaming windows and actually contribute something to the conversation. And oh yeah: the reason you can't open a billion things in XP or Vista? There's so much crap running in the background it can't run more than 7 or so applications efficiently. That's not all bad, but hopefully they'll fix it.
Anyways... about this kid's screenshot, he needs to tell us if it's got a crapton of RAM. The CPU doesn't tell us much; basically the purpose of RAM is to multitask. The more RAM, the smaller you can make your expose thingies look.
dekigo92
ghostshadow
Posted 11:59 PM 6/4/08
You guy's are hilarious, if you think you can't open that many apps, you're just silly. Why not try it and see what it does, try opening 1000 + windows in notepad, I don't think it even supports that many open windows.
check it out, 1007 text edit windows open at once, no lag.
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ghostshadow
xxdesmus
Posted 12:27 AM 7/4/08
Zero lag is complete BS.
xxdesmus
adaorardor
Posted 12:24 AM 7/4/08
@thesoundman: @ncomputerm4:
haha! good one! welcome to 1998!
...OH SHI-
adaorardor
shenanigans61
Posted 12:49 AM 7/4/08
@spenc938: Oh, believe me, I love Vista. Vista does not get the credit it deserves based on the fact everyone takes problems with manufacturers.
We ran XP for 6-7 years on a single core 1.7Ghz or something with 512MB of RAM, without a single issue or crash. Obviously, it couldn't handle games very well or memory-hungry apps, but it was still a great computer that we put through a lot more crap than it deserved :P
Our new machine running Vista hasn't had a single Vista-induced problem or crash yet, and I can promise you we won't for the next 5 years. Take my word for it.
@fivepoint: You really oughta get that fixed.
shenanigans61
mferrari
Posted 1:05 AM 7/4/08
it says 4GB RAM right there under the pic
mferrari
OMG! Ponies!
Posted 2:05 AM 7/4/08
@ those bashing Giz' own admitted interest in Apple:
Today is Sunday. Tomorrow is Monday. And that is when the Banhammer comes out to play.
OMG! Ponies!
djkibblesnbits
Posted 2:01 AM 7/4/08
Man, so many haters on this comment thread. Sheesh. :-/
I do things like this on my Mac all the time, and I don't experience lag at all. Now granted, I do have a three-year old PowerMac G5 with 4.5 GB RAM installed, but still, it's definitely possible. Anyone with a Mac should give it a shot; it's pretty fun seeing just what it can do. Your computer is not going to explode or anything. And, hold down the "Shift" key while activating Expose while you're at it for a bonus "slo-mo" effect.
djkibblesnbits
Dark-Dx
Posted 1:57 AM 7/4/08
@Jackson P:
Building a XPs 1330 and a macbook with the same specs results in virtually the same price.
If you max them out (2,4ghz proc, 4gb ram, 250gb 540rpm hdd, etc.) THe xps 1330 is only 100$ cheaper, I'd take the macbook even if I hate Os x because their build quality is exceptional, just google "xps 1330" problems and you find some serious problems...
So I don't know why you're saying that macs are overpriced...
Hell, even the Imac is much more cheaper than the dell AIO solution at the same specs. THe macpro is also cheaper than a buil-it-yourself solution in terms of processors.
So stop the fud, "macs are overpriced" are so 2005.... (when it was actually true.)
Dark-Dx
CarbonatedWater
Posted 1:54 AM 7/4/08
If he opened them one by one and stopped each process he could probably get it to work without slowdown.
CarbonatedWater
Amiash
Posted 2:41 AM 7/4/08
@92BuickLeSabre: actually the comment thor who weilds the mighty banhammer is none other than ME! muahaha no just kidding its mr.
[gizmodo.com]
Amiash
deliciousburglar
Posted 2:37 AM 7/4/08
lag would depend on the resources being used, photoshop with nothing going on won't affect you in the slightest.
in other words having 150 calculator apps on at the same time isn't going to harm you.
deliciousburglar
shadowthief0
Posted 2:31 AM 7/4/08
I have never seen, or heard of this feature before. o.o
shadowthief0
92BuickLeSabre
Posted 2:29 AM 7/4/08
@OMG! Ponies!: The Banhammer has been quiet almost as long as you have.
Wait a minute...you aren't the wielder of the Banhammer are you?
92BuickLeSabre
92BuickLeSabre
Posted 3:02 AM 7/4/08
@Amiash: Actually, it looks like maybe not anymore.
92BuickLeSabre
shenanigans61
Posted 3:52 AM 7/4/08
@spenc938: No biggie.
shenanigans61
spenc938
Posted 3:40 AM 7/4/08
@shenanigans61: I could have worded that better. The second part of my post wasn't meant to be directed at you, it was instead for the ignorant vista bashing community. In my opinion, and the opinions of the owners of other computers I work on, Vista is a great OS.
spenc938
ILikeMacsWhatAboutIT
Posted 3:35 AM 7/4/08
John Mayer here:
I don't know how to use expose', HELP!
ILikeMacsWhatAboutIT
DeadWriter
Posted 4:20 AM 7/4/08
This thread is pointless, with out some sort of non-anecdotal evidence.
It looks like none of the apps (and all that is provided is a relatively low res picture) are static and are not pulling any processor time.
I can't see any of the big 3 OSs (OS X, Vista, Linx) having a problem with this. I know if I run a render, real time effects and a browser (which one shouldn't do while working), my machine labors and slows. I know I can load a few dozen programs and nothing slows until I start doing work in a few of them.
DeadWriter
workingonyourinvoice
Posted 4:18 AM 7/4/08
I once had 130 badger badger badgers running on a quad mac pro. the sound was atrocious but the expose looked pretty damn cool.
workingonyourinvoice
CutePuppyz
Posted 4:16 AM 7/4/08
I did this one time with Flash. Try opening like 200 flash animations (basic rotation and what not) and then view them in expose. This was i think a 1.8ghz PPC Mac Pro with 1gb of ram. There was definitely slow down. The animation would lag...A LOT.
CutePuppyz
spenc938
Posted 4:02 AM 7/4/08
@Zeasar: Right now I have about 75 programs going, these include everything in the office 07 suite, the whole CS3 collection, an encoding program which is converting right now, the zune software syncing 75GB worth of stuff, and a few games. I just played unreal tournament 04 with all settings maxed out and it plays great. Now it certainly isn't Crysis, but it definately shows that Vista is just as capable.
spenc938
NeoXY
Posted 4:53 AM 7/4/08
The most he can put in there is 4GB of RAM anyways. I have a 2.4GHz MBP with 4GB of RAM and I can TELL YOU detecting no slow down is BS
NeoXY
mikeness
Posted 4:46 AM 7/4/08
Ugh, I can't believe I got schnooker'd into this cluster-eff of a comment fest....
I have XP pro and just finished running every app I could find on my start menu, about 77 total, and it was crusing right along at 18% CPU usage and about 200mb of 2gb available, my page file wasn't even touched. I have a Dual core 1.8ghz Dell Inspiron.
The problem I DID run into however is when trying to open multiple Word docs past the 77 other apps, I was getting errors. Performance was good but I think the Windows apps have issues with the other stuff that is going on more than they do with the CPU/RAM availability.
mikeness
Falsoman
Posted 5:14 AM 7/4/08
Well, I had a very very sad job and to get a couple of web sites done and 30 magazines in a couple of months because that's the "organized and resourcefull way" of my last job... i had to use my iBook G4 1.33ghz with 512mb of ram with the following software running almost always at the same time:
Illustrator CS3
Photoshop Cs3 ( i tried NOT to use this one most of the time, but somethimes there is no way without it)
Dreamweaver CS3
In Design CS3
CODA 1.1 (for online editing)
Mail
Word
Excel
Safari
Firefox
Preview and Textedit (those count right?)
It was PAINFULLY slow and i had to reboot the computer about every 4 hours or so so it could take a break. But I managed to get the job done. I didn't see the light of day save for the times i was going to my work, but i finished.
So yeah, i belive you can have 150 apps running on a good computer and have a bearable speed to do something. That said, the no lag is Too good to be truth.
Falsoman
bigMoneyMIKE
Posted 5:37 AM 7/4/08
@Jackson P: Come on, now. The Santa Rosa Macs are very fast machines when combined with Leopard do a really good job of using resources effectively. Advantage: 64bit.
bigMoneyMIKE
h00ligan
Posted 6:38 AM 7/4/08
maybe he reniced all the background apps :)
h00ligan
newSeasons
Posted 7:07 AM 7/4/08
..... yet again its mac were talking about.... every thing is possible!
newSeasons
Sleeper_Service
Posted 7:29 AM 7/4/08
@newSeasons:
Including it doing something useful!
Aha. Aha. Aha.
Sleeper_Service
Jackson P
Posted 8:46 AM 7/4/08
@Thrillcekr and @bigMoneyMIKE: Where did you read in my original post that there wasn't powerful Mac computers? Of course there are many that have great performance. The point of the post was that you consistently pay more for the same hardware. Period. It is true....and if it is worth it so you can feel apart of your chosen crowd....go for it. But you ARE paying for a trend to varying degrees.
@Dark-Dx And I guess the only company you know that builds PC's is Dell? Wow, congratulations, you have picked one company out of the entire computer manufacturing business to compare Apple too. Dell's are overpriced too. There, now your flawed point is...pointless. Now, go re-read the post, work on Reading Comprehension 101 and realize that I said PC's....not Dell Computers.
Jackson P
apeguero
Posted 10:05 AM 7/4/08
Alright everyone, I'll bite. I'm a believer now. I ran 40 apps, including Adobe Photoshop CS3, Bridge, all of iLife 08 programs, Vista with 2 gigs RAM via Fusion, plus all of the iWorks 08 apps, Joost, Limewire, Chess, iTunes with a video podcast showing, Quicktime, all of the imaging software that came with my Canon 40d, plus Screen Share app with my MacBook's screen running, on my Mac Pro 2.66ghz Quad with 7gigs of RAM and ATI Radeon 1900 on a Gateway XHD3000 monitor running at 2560x1600 res. I still had about 1 gig left of RAM, which would really be around 3 gigs if I didn't start the Vista session on Fusion. The computer was just a tiny bit slower when I switched between apps, but that was only while some programs were still opening. Once all apps, including Fusion with Vista, were up and running, everything was as smooth as I would expect. Amazing! I'm sure I could've opened up a lot more stuff but I figured the 40 apps had enough of what I consider hard core apps (CS3, Vista, iMovie 06 and 08, Garage Band 08) to convince me the claim in this post to be true. Nice machines these Mac Pros are. If only some really nice games made their way to Apple, like Microsoft Flight Sim X, GT3, Half Life games, Lock On, etc. I guess I'll have to keep using Bootcamp for now. Oh, and I only wish M$ would port over M$ Money to Mac. That would also be sweet as I can't stand Quicken! Oh, also, I'm still pissed at Apple for not putting out an NVidia 8800GT card that can work in my 2006 version of the Mac Pro.
apeguero
irfan
Posted 9:47 AM 7/4/08
view profile
burnflare92 says:
Hey, this is burnflare92 here. Here are some stats when that shot was taken:
Ram usage: 3.8GB/4.0GB
Swap: 2.8GB/3.0GB
Took 10 minutes for all the applications to open at first. Then things were pretty smooth
irfan
natenovs
Posted 10:40 AM 7/4/08
i hate to rain on all the vista hater's parade here, but I just opened 153 programs and my ram usage is at 53% cpu at
14%. i've got a dual core 1.86gz and 2 gigs of ram. not a single noticeable slowdown.
nothing special about osx here, except that it shows every program so small that you can't even recognize it.
natenovs
bigMoneyMIKE
Posted 10:10 AM 7/4/08
@Jackson P: My Mac: Intel Santa Rosa MB & Chipset, T7300, 2GB DRAM, ATI 2400XT 128MB GDDR3, DVD/CD +-, 20" widescreen, Intel ABGN, Intel Bluetooth, Webacm, 7200RPM Intel/Hitachi SATA and more. $1349.
You spec out ANY Dell, HP or Gateway like to like, maybe its $100 cheaper, most times its MORE expensive!
bigMoneyMIKE
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Posted 11:54 AM 7/4/08
i only saved the original screen cap as a 640x400, but heres an Alienskin blow up that may be easier to see.
[usera.imagecave.com]
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Dook_In_The_Urinal
Posted 11:49 AM 7/4/08
Ok. Out of sheer boredom, I tested again.
105+ programs in Vista Ultimate on a Compaq F750US laptop.
Specs: AMD TK-57 1.9ghz, 2gb RAM, 160gb 5400RPM, Nvidia 7000m
System slowed down a bit, but was still totally usable. I was able to do a screen cap, import into Photoshop CS3, resize, compress and save with no problems.
Screenshots
[usera.imagecave.com]
and after closing all 105+ programs.
[usera.imagecave.com]
I could have gone more, but i got tired of opening programs and think the point was proven.
Let me say that again......105+ programs open on Vista with absolutely NO ISSUES.
Dook_In_The_Urinal
DanLar75
Posted 2:00 PM 7/4/08
Ha ha ha, you have to be a seriously stupid fanboy to buy 'no slowdown on my standard mac with 150 apps' ha ha ha
DanLar75
ChuckBlack
Posted 3:13 PM 7/4/08
I've got 256 versions of text edit in a folder and somewhere around 200 apps open I get errors. I have to quit a version of text edit to be able to open a different app. This is on a 2.8 octo early jan 08 model. 4GB's of RAM. And my text edit windows didn't open all over my screen either, just in one spot, making the shadow of the text window pitch black.
No Lag at all...
ChuckBlack
med
Posted 11:29 PM 7/4/08
Yeah I tried that on my brand new windows box at work one time, except it started gagging and dying about 12 apps in.
I could see that if given enough ram, it would probably run fairly well, I have an older G4 that can run at 100% CPU utilization with no noticeable loss in responsiveness, so it's not out of the question for an MBP to do the same thing...?
med
Seiven
Posted 12:23 AM 8/4/08
he updated and noted he had 4GB RAM.
he is also running low mem apps for the most part...no memory hogs
Seiven
Accelerata
Posted 2:25 AM 8/4/08
The main advantage of OS X is that its pretty good about prioritizing processes. UI processes in the foreground get much larger processing time so that the system "feels" responsive, even under heavy load. This was where my XP system always failed miserably; heavy load left the UI to unusable to even stop processes to reduce the load :-p
Hopefully Vista is better about that, but given what I've heard, I don't really have any compelling reason to upgrade my OS for my PC.
Accelerata
ripfire4
Posted 2:57 AM 8/4/08
Just because you have several applications open at the same time, doesn't mean you're running multiple threads at the same time especially without lag.
ripfire4
akmarksman
Posted 3:11 AM 8/4/08
@Jackson P: when you do need to upgrade it,you simply throw the old one away and go buy a new one..no messing with RAM,video cards,CPUs..etc.
akmarksman
uberfu
Posted 3:41 AM 8/4/08
WTF Ever! I've got 4GBs of RAM in a 2.3Ghz Dualie and if PS or Final Cut are open and running - I don't try to run much else_
This is bullshit_
He's got things like IE 5 - PPC based_
Core Graphics Editor - Stickies - Split and Concat - Activity Monitor - Terminal - Chess - Installer App - etc... running_ All he did was open the natively installed Apps that come with OS X_ They take up no space and do nothing significant with system resources_
If he cranked up ALL of the Adobe Master Collection - ALL of the Final Cut Studio Suite Apps - MAYA - Logic Pro - even Office 2008 [finding it to be a big resource hog] - Aperture - Lightroom and iPhoto - completely full of pics [thousands and thousands]_
Then after that if he wasn't having any lagtime on his MBP - then I'd be impressed and would ask how he managed to do it as I'd want some optimization advice_
BUT having iSync and the Calulator open and calling that a big deal - this dude had way too much time on his hands and needs a fucking life_
AND Giz - you shouldn't even be giving this idiot the time of day much less this exposure he doesn't desrve!
uberfu
stephenbb
Posted 5:53 AM 8/4/08
The real question in how many videos on loop can he have running at the same time.
stephenbb
socioecoboy
Posted 5:14 AM 9/4/08
Hey this is cool, my little OSX 10.4.11 MB is kicking ass doing this.
socioecoboy
nondual
Posted 12:46 AM 8/4/08
pah, that is ridiculous! every friggin random vista laptop can do that easily. i just done it on my dell XPS m1330 with 122 apps running in parallel, if you don't believe it: [tinyurl.com]
nondual
iwasnevy
Posted 3:59 PM 7/4/08
108 apps on my 2.16 macbook pro, 2Gb ram. Surprisingly, it didn't do too bad - only a 3 sec lag time when opening expose! It took 2 smokes to get them all open, but it chugged through it! I always wondered how many apps I have...
I can't believe i just wasted all that tme on a digg/geek thing
Looks pretty cool tho:
Click here for my screenshot
iwasnevy
prezmcmahon
Posted 6:06 AM 7/4/08
I did this test on a macbook with a 2.0ghz Core 2 Duo, and 2GB ram. I didn't have 150 applications on the machine, only about 96. There are over 100 windows open, but some are finder windows. Here is the result:
[www.mcmahonweb.com]
It worked ok, but there is lag. Nothing crashed, and everything was usable.
prezmcmahon
jigsta1205
Posted 4:04 AM 7/4/08
I only have 93 apps on my mac but they all opened just fine including Final Cut Studio.I took a desktop picture but i'm not quite sure how to post it here on Giz. It took only about two minutes primarily because I had to hit okay on a lot of apps. I have a 2.5 Ghz G5 quad (so 10ghz) and five gigs of hypervelocity ram. I also run vista on my machine just fine with no problems. I find it funny how a lot of mac haters aren't even aware of how many apps the mac has. I haven't even scratched the surface. My buddy has over 300 apps on his mac and also runs windows xp. It just makes the haters seem ignorant. Ah well.
jigsta1205
burnflare
Posted 1:55 AM 7/4/08
all at the same time
burnflare
kevinisnthere
Posted 1:24 AM 7/4/08
I think it's plausible, since most of the applications are just at their start-up screens.
kevinisnthere
burnflare
Posted 12:04 AM 7/4/08
i have 4gb ram
burnflare
burnflare
Posted 11:28 PM 6/4/08
i can post a video if you want
burnflare
burnflare
Posted 9:24 PM 6/4/08
yep 4 gb ram
burnflare
burnflare
Posted 4:13 PM 6/4/08
Hey, this is burnflare92 here. Here are some stats when that shot was taken:
Ram usage: 3.8GB/4.0GB
Swap: 2.8GB/3.0GB
Took 10 minutes for all the applications to open at first. Then things were pretty smooth
burnflare
burnflare
Posted 4:11 PM 6/4/08
hey guys, this is burnflare here the guy who uploaded that picture. Here are some stats when that picture was taken:
Ram Usage: 3.6GB/4.0GB
Swap Usage: 2.8GB/3.0GB
Took about 10 minutes for all those apps to get launched as i did a CMD-A + CMD - O to all the folders in Applications. Power Hungry apps include Final cut and Adobe Flash CS3
burnflare
Mr-Simpson
Posted 3:44 AM 7/4/08
THis i s why I love Mac, bought my first Mac a year ago (MacBook Black) Never once did I regret, XP still lives in me becouse we use it at work, and my boss does not allow me to use my MacBook as a workmachine! damn!
Mr-Simpson
DanyBrancho
Posted 7:57 AM 7/4/08
I killed my old winXP computer (800mhz processor, 200Mb of ram)using windows update installing SP3... how strange windows's own programs can kill itself... i assume its something equivalent to me jumping off a bridge because i was too stressed. im so glad i switched to mac
DanyBrancho
DanyBrancho
Posted 6:02 AM 7/4/08
@jbhitter24: I Concur
DanyBrancho
atuck
Posted 4:21 AM 7/4/08
@fivepoint: Dude, your ridiculous use of capitalization and belligerent attitude is what gives Mac Users a bad name. How in the world do you it to be "100% true?"
Neither OSX nor Vista deserves the bullshit heaped on them in the various Giz flamewars, but your blind, angry convictions are what make people think that we don't understand computing on any level.
Simiarly, people that post about "Apple Fanboy Faggots" need to shut up and turn 12.
atuck
Bob Brown
Posted 8:36 AM 9/4/08
Having a program open is one thing. How about using them. THat is when the lag happens.
Bob Brown
cbg2113
Posted 11:54 AM 9/4/08
That screen shot is disgusting what a horrible way to organize windows, but then again who predicts someone runnin 150 apps lol
cbg2113
huk
Posted 7:21 AM 10/4/08
You can watch my Macbook Pro 2,16GHz 2G memory running more than 100 apps while shooting with Snapz Pro X. And that's just an old Macbook Pro. That's multitasking and memory management done right.
+ Watch video
huk